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so this isn't anything that just is

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limited to the united states it's a

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hi everyone and welcome back to that ufo

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podcast we have a breaking news pod and

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it seems since it's been a while since i

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had one of those to announce

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dan joins me for the first time in about

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12 years it seems done

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yeah it's been a little while a lot's

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been happening but this is uh this is a

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momentous day if i could have like a

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blue book t-shirt on kind of saying you

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know here we are again but in better

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shape uh i would

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well it's a momentous day dan because

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earlier today the new york times through

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leslie kane and ralph blumenthal uh the

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the true ufo power couple when it comes

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to writing and journalism

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announced that as of next week tuesday

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the 17th of may a house subcommittee

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is going to be holding the first open

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congressional hearings on unidentified

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aerial vehicles the first in more than

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half a century

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um and it's going to include testimony

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from two top defense officials i hope

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i'm getting all this correct because

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people will pull me up on the language

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and terminology but essentially folks

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all that stuff folk have talked about

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for quite a while and hoping or been

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expecting whatever you fall on it um is

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starting to happen next week exciting

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yeah very exciting um

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listeners may recall us kind of

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following the bills as they went through

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the you know the house in congress and

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and the senate sorry and got voted on

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and biden signed them into law and that

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was really exciting but now what we're

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those laws kind of gave officials

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leavers to start pulling and kind of

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saying you know if you if you hold back

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the uap information then we we now

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actually have a law that we can come

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after you for um it's right there in the

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language so we're seeing them in kind of

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using that within you know

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five months of that being passed which

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is fantastic news

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so depending on where you sit with this

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news we're going to do our best to

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temper your expectations but in the same

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way that i think we spoke about the the

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task force report done where it was like

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don't be expecting aliens don't be

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expecting et don't be expecting that

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sort of language

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look for they can have baby steps in

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progress now this

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upcoming hearing is on the back of what

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dan has said there about all those all

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those bills that were passed on the back

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of the task force report the

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actions or sometimes lack thereof off

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the back of that report um and it's and

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this is another quote from the article

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this these sets of hearings are intended

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to focus on the work of a group within

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the pentagon that is following up on the

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national security and flight safety

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questions raised by the report

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because if you take away that

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ufo aliens what could these be thing for

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a moment there are one national security

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implications and also flight safety

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things are maneuvering dog fighting

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really expensive equipment very

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technologically advanced equipment for

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us and they don't necessarily know what

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to do when they encounter them so

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there's certainly questions to be asked

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that these hearings are going to be all

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about aliens and advanced civilizations

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and non-human intelligences dan is that

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completely fair

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yeah i think so you they're definitely

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not going to be rocking up with a third

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surprise guest that's just a grey that's

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going to sit in a you know phoenix like

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style yeah yeah yeah none of that um

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basically i think what's going to happen

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is essentially the aoi msg which is the

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uap task force but you know what it is

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now um they will brief uh the the two

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people who are going to testify uh which

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is scott bray who is the director of

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naval intelligence activity who kind of

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oversees everything for the navy and

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intelligence and security that's right

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and he oversees pretty much everything

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in the dod including the nsa the dia the

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nro uh you know he's the guy that kind

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will be briefed by the mo aoi msg

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they will be provided the questions

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hearings that's important i've seen

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people ask that online and in the

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discord chat some of the listeners were

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talking as well wondering are they going

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to get that in advance so that's that's

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you know otherwise essentially

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it's it's kind of like expecting biden

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to know everything that's going on in in

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the government you know he is commander

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in chief he doesn't know everything

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there are people that are under him that

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looks after each kind of granular bit

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these guys are like that to the the task

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force the task force will brief them

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be asked whether they avoid those

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questions or twist them i don't know it

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was brought to our attention earlier

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today that scott bray

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approved a lot of the redactions in the

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security classification guide on uap so

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he's already had a hand in keeping a lot

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of this information secret but who

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better to hold the feet to the fire you

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know yeah and that that was john

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greenwald black vault who who brought

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that up online that and again john i

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think went down the line of don't get

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excited by this gentleman because this

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is just a way to obfuscate the truth

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more but i think a lot of people like

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yourself and myself dan were like well

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no because isn't this one of the people

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you do want questioned

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advanced notice of the questions in two

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ways one of them like you say are they

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going to avoid the questions are they

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going to be clever

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senator gillibrand when she was asking i

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can't remember who the gentleman was

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about uaps

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and he really awkwardly tried to blow

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off and brush off the questions that she

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told him that he better do his homework

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for the next time she asks because what

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he said wasn't good enough i imagine it

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could be very similar on this occasion

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if if either of these gentlemen show up

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and haven't done their homework to give

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could be detrimental to them and you

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investigation whatever you want to call

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it that it's going to be so i think

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shoulders that being given the time

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they're expected to come up with with

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good answers with heavyweight answers as

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well so i'm quite intrigued to see what

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yeah absolutely uh douglas d johnson

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over christmas he posted an article that

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was kind of a summary of a lot of the

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the bills that were passing and he

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mentioned moultrie in that article and

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have now been answered that he was

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posing but when those bills passed

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douglas basically said that the the

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that they would say and essentially we

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the congress have concluded that an

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identified aerial phenomena is serious

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business we want you to start treating

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it a serious business get your act

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together and get a grip on this problem

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expect to be held accountable this is

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them holding those people accountable

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they are saying stop messing with us we

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are serious here they need to protect

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you know the constituents are asking

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questions the american people want to

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know and it's not just the american

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people this is a worldwide phenomena

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as it says uh is it fair to say as well

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these people are being held accountable

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i don't think that's necessarily that

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they're holding all the secrets and they

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know what's going on so they have to

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tell us but more that they're stopping

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people who are trying to investigate

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this from getting the answers and

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getting closer to the truth and making

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their jobs more difficult so they have

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is that that's where this lies isn't it

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everyone has to work together and start

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controversy between whether aoi msg was

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even fit for purpose for this

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of and shuttered the task force or the

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task force is properly equipped we saw

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that they were advertising for workers

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are plans for the task force and a lot

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we'll be in the classified portions of

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the briefings but the rest will be able

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to watch on youtube and and you know sit

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um a part of the article early on i want

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to talk about dan it says and i quote

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since this as an area of high public

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interest any undue secrecy can serve as

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an obstacle to solving the mystery or it

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could prevent us from finding solutions

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to potential vulnerabilities this was

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said by representative andre carson the

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democrat of indiana and the chairman of

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subcommittee on counter-terrorism

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that rolls off the tongue doesn't it um

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this hearing as an example uh sorry this

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hearing is about examining the steps

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that the pentagon can take to reduce the

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stigma surrounding reporting by military

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online dan the biggest avalanche starts

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with a whisper and a pebble so we're not

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going to be hearing et's aliens and such

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but it's going to get the ball rolling

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and

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writing folks so people can't be

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disappointed afterwards as to focus on

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reducing the stigma on reporting

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also i thought the wording of undue

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secrecy there is still going to be and

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probably always will be a level of

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secrecy with the subject even from those

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who are trying to get information out

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that includes your your senator harry

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reid your chris mellon jolyllas on those

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anyone who does come forward from the

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government

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because there are things they can and

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can't say for all sorts of different

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reasons not just the public deserve to

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know so

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i do appreciate that i get why it

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frustrates some people but we have to

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accept that is just a part of the

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subject especially for the time being

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yeah absolutely

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essentially what

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the the complaints at the moment are

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things like public interface and with

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the office that's being established this

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is growing pains i know there's a

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suspected kind of you know dark ball

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behind the scenes that have kind of

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known this secret and been studying it

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for a long while but in terms of what

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we're seeing now in the us government

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these are a bunch of new people wanting

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to kind of start afresh there are a lot

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of people in here that i i don't even

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think have come across the uap issue

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before and knew it as you know they just

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knew it was ufos and treated it as that

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kind of silly issue but certainly now

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that that's changing um and i don't

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think it's going away the fact that

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we're getting public hearings i think a

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lot of us are celebrating like you say

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not because

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we're necessarily going to get some new

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information or videos or anything like

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that out of this but there are going to

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be so many more eyes on this issue now

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and realizing oh hold on this is

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actually really serious i i see it as

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essentially you know when it teaches

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scolds a kid in class and kind of says

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all your friends are going to have to go

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in if you don't behave this is

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essentially what's happening here i

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think uh you know a few people are being

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told off very publicly so they can get

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their act together

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and it's almost like that teachers that

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the kids are in the classroom being

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naughty but they're kind of holding the

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door shut and the teacher's got their

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foot in the door and the kids are kind

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of stopping them getting in but they're

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just they're peeking in and you can see

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a little bit and it's like what are you

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doing in there you know you're as well

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letting me in because i'm going to get

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in eventually you can make this easy on

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yourself

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and i think that's a little bit of

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what's happening and you see this isn't

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directly going to give us

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no footage new videos all that good

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stuff but it certainly could lead to

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that depending on how much of those

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those doors get opened um it was 1966

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gerald r ford then the house house

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republican minority leader from michigan

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organized a hearing in response to

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reports of ufos by over 40 people

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including 12 policemen

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at the time the air force explained them

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away famously as swamp gas mr ford said

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that was flippant

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i'm going to ask you dan as we are now

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approaching what 50 60 years on from

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those

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what do you expect to to come away from

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essentially a sense of how serious this

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has been taken

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at the moment you know it's gone from a

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bunch of us just on the internet talking

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about this to a bunch of people really

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you know officials coming out swinging

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and being concerned and it's getting to

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the point where you know that kind of

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entertainment side of ufology is it's

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kind of falling away because you know

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this is

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it's starting to grow up a little bit

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and people are realizing the weight and

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and the potential profound changes that

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this subject brings

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i feel like that's exactly why we're

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taking these kind of baby steps and that

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people shouldn't be frustrated by not

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finding out anything new where talking

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to new people through different kind of

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reaches and audiences

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the more it's talked about the bigger

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the platform the more serious the

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platform and i i mean does it get more

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serious than

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you know public hearing in america um

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what more do we want this is an

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excellent foot to put forward and and

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like you say it's going to lead to

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probably a better public interface and a

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whole bunch of people asking questions

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that weren't asking questions before

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i'm going to ask you a very speculative

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question then

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do you think they

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and i mean they as in others

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are either up there down there or in the

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space in between

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are aware of these progressions and

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conversations and governmental

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levels of awareness how strange do you

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give you a minute

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well

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depending on the kind of

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groups of people you talk to we've even

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got ideas where you know a ufo just

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showing itself to someone creates a

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space in their head to think differently

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and they start a kind of you know a

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butterfly beats its wings through an

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action of theirs maybe a politician and

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it kind of creates this big change

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societal change that brings us closer to

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a communication with the species that

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are more advanced than us

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or you've got the kind of more malicious

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side of things where you know people say

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that

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the kind of hitchhiker effect happens to

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some of these officials and and may

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influence them in that way um through

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religious beliefs and things like that

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i

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that

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are kind of through the lens of the

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world that people see them um

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and that i i would say it's fair that if

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something

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kind of

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something super advanced was here there

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is no reason that it wouldn't kind of

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know all that was going on even from a

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skiff perspective you know a secure

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facility

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i i would imagine that they know

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everything about us we know very little

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about them

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and i suppose everything in terms of

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what they need to know maybe not the

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superficial stuff that we would consider

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important but they're like meh that's

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not something they talk about the

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kardashians well yeah that kind of stuff

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where they'll be like we know nothing

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about that we don't know what your sport

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is all that kind of stuff but

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there are like i think when we spoke to

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louis elizondo i don't want to call him

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lou in case we get accused of being

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fanboys again but when we spoke to mr

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elizondo a couple of weeks ago and

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i asked him do you think they're aware

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you know of us and he went oh yeah they

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are aware that we are aware so there's

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there's a kind of noticing there and

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that i just yeah purely speculative but

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i mean i was just interested in that one

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if if they would even care about our

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politics and government and

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that that was the moment where i was

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frantically typing in for you to ask

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as what was it uh do they notice us more

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the more we know them um and yeah it's

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interesting that you know uh

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a species could evolve over time to

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become more aware of each other um did

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you catch chris mellon pour out a tweet

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he retweeted the new york times article

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and he said one of the critical

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questions for the upcoming house uap

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hearing is do we have evidence of

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intelligently controlled unknowns in

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orbit or in space chris doesn't tend to

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pose these questions unless he knows

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that you know something that we don't so

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so that's a really intriguing question

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from him i think

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more of the psyop from chris melon again

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what's he like

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um some listener comments on on the news

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it broke today folks uh from gnosis he

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he says tempering is the way for sure

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tempering expectations that is my

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feeling as that there could be a berlin

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wall moment in all of this i eat not so

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much then all at once i don't think

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we're there yet let me see a

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high-ranking u.s air force and d.o.e

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representative being grilled and i'll

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buy a first class ticket for the hype

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train um

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nathan at a way of seoul uh he talked

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about a representative adam b schiff

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californian democrats comment and he

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tweeted

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representative chef said there's much to

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learn about unidentified aerial

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phenomena but one thing is sure the

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american people deserve full

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transparency

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brackets don't we all um and he also

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said next week the house intel will give

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the public a chance to hear from experts

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on one of the greatest mysteries of our

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time

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so

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i think it's fair to say that chef is

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leaning on the the idea that this isn't

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your foreign adversarial technology here

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then that's a true mystery there's a bit

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of almost child like wonderment i think

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if it's not too romantic to say that

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within that you know maybe someone has a

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deep-rooted interest in the topic that

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goes back more than just some recent

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briefings potentially there as well so

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that's always good to kind of hear

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um

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dave smather said i think it looks

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pretty mild but it'll be a slow burner

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that catches fire this is because all

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the members have had confidential

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briefings and presumably seen videos and

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they are reportedly unhappy with

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progress and finally eric said the

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snowball is rolling i i imagine a lot

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more

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officials will be asking for the

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briefing after these public hearings as

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well because it's one thing to take some

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time out of your day to actually go

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somewhere and do the meeting but they

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they're busy they have a bunch of aids

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the aide's going to be able to watch

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that skip through and go yeah you need

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to pay attention to this you know 100

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and dan you had put out just on twitter

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hadn't you um asking what questions

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people would like to hear do you want to

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go through some of those yeah so

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jefferson lee uh

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would like to know what effort's being

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done to synchronize data collection uh

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between various agencies uh which i

557
00:19:17,750 --> 00:19:16,480
think is a pertinent point that's kind

558
00:19:19,190 --> 00:19:17,760
of what there's quite an official

559
00:19:20,390 --> 00:19:19,200
sounding question too

560
00:19:22,230 --> 00:19:20,400
that sounds like one that is straight

561
00:19:24,630 --> 00:19:22,240
off the list yeah

562
00:19:26,549 --> 00:19:24,640
um do you believe uh this is a lesson

563
00:19:28,390 --> 00:19:26,559
there do you believe an amnesty program

564
00:19:30,070 --> 00:19:28,400
that protects whistleblowers from the

565
00:19:31,590 --> 00:19:30,080
undue burden of prosecution for their

566
00:19:33,350 --> 00:19:31,600
efforts to inform the american people

567
00:19:35,110 --> 00:19:33,360
would aid in getting more information

568
00:19:36,710 --> 00:19:35,120
out of the military and intel community

569
00:19:38,630 --> 00:19:36,720
on uap i think that's a really

570
00:19:41,350 --> 00:19:38,640
interesting question it's a it's a

571
00:19:43,510 --> 00:19:41,360
touchy one um especially because so many

572
00:19:45,990 --> 00:19:43,520
people's lives have been altered in a

573
00:19:47,909 --> 00:19:46,000
crazy way that you know there's no way

574
00:19:50,150 --> 00:19:47,919
that you can give those lives back to

575
00:19:52,070 --> 00:19:50,160
those people uh just just look at we're

576
00:19:53,830 --> 00:19:52,080
gonna talk about it soon but kevin day

577
00:19:55,510 --> 00:19:53,840
and the tear in the sky it's very clear

578
00:19:57,990 --> 00:19:55,520
that he was deeply affected by the

579
00:19:59,270 --> 00:19:58,000
experience um but then he says his

580
00:20:01,190 --> 00:19:59,280
career ended

581
00:20:02,870 --> 00:20:01,200
i'll go back to what i said before and

582
00:20:05,430 --> 00:20:02,880
and i've said this many times on the

583
00:20:06,789 --> 00:20:05,440
podcast that i i don't mind an amnesty

584
00:20:08,630 --> 00:20:06,799
where people are

585
00:20:10,470 --> 00:20:08,640
granted immunity

586
00:20:12,549 --> 00:20:10,480
from whatever they have done in the past

587
00:20:14,549 --> 00:20:12,559
many of those that started this are have

588
00:20:16,630 --> 00:20:14,559
long since passed and other people have

589
00:20:18,549 --> 00:20:16,640
just inherited the secrecy

590
00:20:21,430 --> 00:20:18,559
but and for all people would go well

591
00:20:24,149 --> 00:20:21,440
that they should be prosecuted etc etc

592
00:20:27,110 --> 00:20:24,159
that that quote before of on the levels

593
00:20:29,110 --> 00:20:27,120
of undue secrecy there are still

594
00:20:31,270 --> 00:20:29,120
more than likely almost definitely

595
00:20:33,590 --> 00:20:31,280
elements of this topic and subject that

596
00:20:34,950 --> 00:20:33,600
we don't know why it's been kept secret

597
00:20:37,110 --> 00:20:34,960
and things that we've maybe not even

598
00:20:38,710 --> 00:20:37,120
considered that if and when it does come

599
00:20:41,590 --> 00:20:38,720
out you would go oh

600
00:20:43,990 --> 00:20:41,600
actually i do understand why that hasn't

601
00:20:45,750 --> 00:20:44,000
been made made public there's been

602
00:20:46,549 --> 00:20:45,760
productions to that as well haven't they

603
00:20:48,310 --> 00:20:46,559
yeah

604
00:20:50,149 --> 00:20:48,320
exactly and whether it's you know the

605
00:20:52,230 --> 00:20:50,159
cataclysms talk and it's something along

606
00:20:53,430 --> 00:20:52,240
those lines angels demons whatever it

607
00:20:54,950 --> 00:20:53,440
might be

608
00:20:56,630 --> 00:20:54,960
if you just put your

609
00:20:59,029 --> 00:20:56,640
not sensible hat on for a moment but the

610
00:21:00,870 --> 00:20:59,039
way i would view your sensible hat

611
00:21:03,830 --> 00:21:00,880
is maybe there are some things that

612
00:21:04,630 --> 00:21:03,840
people kept secret for for good reason

613
00:21:06,390 --> 00:21:04,640
um

614
00:21:07,830 --> 00:21:06,400
or for reasons they thought were good

615
00:21:09,830 --> 00:21:07,840
and if it means we get the truth out

616
00:21:12,549 --> 00:21:09,840
then maybe some kind of amnesty there

617
00:21:14,549 --> 00:21:12,559
but fully fully aware that lives have

618
00:21:16,149 --> 00:21:14,559
been lost in the past and careers have

619
00:21:17,990 --> 00:21:16,159
ended people's health physical and

620
00:21:20,950 --> 00:21:18,000
mental has been affected short and long

621
00:21:22,070 --> 00:21:20,960
term so it's a sensitive subject but one

622
00:21:24,470 --> 00:21:22,080
that's going to be spoken about

623
00:21:26,390 --> 00:21:24,480
eventually no doubt yeah yeah absolutely

624
00:21:28,549 --> 00:21:26,400
you when you consider that side of

625
00:21:31,110 --> 00:21:28,559
things it's easy to see why some people

626
00:21:33,510 --> 00:21:31,120
get very heated uh you know

627
00:21:35,270 --> 00:21:33,520
yeah you speak to people who have

628
00:21:37,590 --> 00:21:35,280
experienced abductions and they get very

629
00:21:40,470 --> 00:21:37,600
angry that this is progressing so slowly

630
00:21:42,390 --> 00:21:40,480
and you know i i hear you all of you um

631
00:21:45,190 --> 00:21:42,400
but we're getting there and and this is

632
00:21:47,270 --> 00:21:45,200
better than nothing you know 100 percent

633
00:21:49,190 --> 00:21:47,280
any more cures uh yeah karen our

634
00:21:50,870 --> 00:21:49,200
alexander similar kind of line says what

635
00:21:53,029 --> 00:21:50,880
barriers remain to more urgent

636
00:21:54,950 --> 00:21:53,039
investigation and public disclosure uh

637
00:21:58,070 --> 00:21:54,960
so again that's kind of you know amnesty

638
00:21:59,909 --> 00:21:58,080
could help there um b did ufo guy gaz uh

639
00:22:01,830 --> 00:21:59,919
says are there any places in the ocean

640
00:22:03,590 --> 00:22:01,840
that are known hot spots and have any

641
00:22:04,710 --> 00:22:03,600
investigations being done there that

642
00:22:05,990 --> 00:22:04,720
would be really interesting that would

643
00:22:06,950 --> 00:22:06,000
probably have to be in the classified

644
00:22:09,510 --> 00:22:06,960
portion because a lot of those

645
00:22:12,230 --> 00:22:09,520
capabilities are classified but we know

646
00:22:14,230 --> 00:22:12,240
that you know there's uh infrasound and

647
00:22:15,590 --> 00:22:14,240
and kind of low low frequency

648
00:22:17,510 --> 00:22:15,600
microphones and things like that dotted

649
00:22:18,950 --> 00:22:17,520
around the oceans tracking submarines

650
00:22:20,230 --> 00:22:18,960
everything has a signature when it zips

651
00:22:21,830 --> 00:22:20,240
through the water even if it's no

652
00:22:24,950 --> 00:22:21,840
signature at all in effect that's a

653
00:22:27,350 --> 00:22:24,960
that's a fingerprint um and and i think

654
00:22:29,029 --> 00:22:27,360
they probably have tracks of anomalous

655
00:22:31,510 --> 00:22:29,039
things in fact we've seen a few kicking

656
00:22:33,510 --> 00:22:31,520
around um but the context is kind of

657
00:22:34,870 --> 00:22:33,520
missing from the tracks you know so it

658
00:22:36,950 --> 00:22:34,880
would be great to get more information

659
00:22:40,230 --> 00:22:36,960
on on that

660
00:22:41,590 --> 00:22:40,240
awesome um folks that'll do for this we

661
00:22:43,430 --> 00:22:41,600
are going to go straight into recording

662
00:22:45,750 --> 00:22:43,440
an interview that won't come out and an

663
00:22:47,029 --> 00:22:45,760
interview a review sorry that's not

664
00:22:48,390 --> 00:22:47,039
going to come out until the end of the

665
00:22:50,630 --> 00:22:48,400
week but we're going to be talking about

666
00:22:53,110 --> 00:22:50,640
a tear in the sky the documentary so if

667
00:22:55,990 --> 00:22:53,120
you look out for that this coming friday

668
00:22:58,549 --> 00:22:56,000
it's going to drop on audio and dan on

669
00:23:00,390 --> 00:22:58,559
youtube it will come out

670
00:23:01,990 --> 00:23:00,400
when i mean we're recording it now

671
00:23:04,710 --> 00:23:02,000
there's a few days i'll get it done by

672
00:23:06,870 --> 00:23:04,720
then yeah cool um and this week folks

673
00:23:09,110 --> 00:23:06,880
the jeremy corbell audio is out on

674
00:23:11,510 --> 00:23:09,120
wednesday part two the youtube premiere

675
00:23:12,950 --> 00:23:11,520
is friday evening 9pm uk time that's

676
00:23:15,190 --> 00:23:12,960
received a whole host of wonderful

677
00:23:18,070 --> 00:23:15,200
feedback so thank you very much um i'm

678
00:23:20,789 --> 00:23:18,080
interviewing gary nolan on thursday as

679
00:23:22,549 --> 00:23:20,799
we talk now dan it's tuesday and so that

680
00:23:24,390 --> 00:23:22,559
one will be out the following week as

681
00:23:26,630 --> 00:23:24,400
well as always monday for the audio

682
00:23:28,549 --> 00:23:26,640
friday for the youtube um early access

683
00:23:30,070 --> 00:23:28,559
on all the usual platforms so thank you

684
00:23:31,590 --> 00:23:30,080
very much looking forward to getting

685
00:23:33,990 --> 00:23:31,600
straight into talking about a tear in

686
00:23:36,470 --> 00:23:34,000
the sky our review for that will be up

687
00:23:38,470 --> 00:23:36,480
for you um later on this week as well so

688
00:23:40,470 --> 00:23:38,480
dan for now thanks

689
00:23:42,710 --> 00:23:40,480
thank you it's uh it's nice to be back

690
00:23:45,190 --> 00:23:42,720
in the chair talking it is and let's get

691
00:23:47,269 --> 00:23:45,200
straight back into it thank you folks

692
00:23:49,190 --> 00:23:47,279
that is all for this week's show thank

693
00:23:51,430 --> 00:23:49,200
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694
00:23:53,909 --> 00:23:51,440
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704
00:24:17,350 --> 00:24:15,279
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705
00:24:20,420 --> 00:24:17,360
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706
00:24:40,870 --> 00:24:20,430
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707
00:24:40,880 --> 00:24:47,540
is

708
00:25:14,230 --> 00:25:10,180
[Music]

709
00:25:16,070 --> 00:25:14,240
i jump back nearly kissed myself and i

710
00:25:17,510 --> 00:25:16,080
climbed out the window

711
00:25:19,190 --> 00:25:17,520
and i woke up in my bed and there was

712
00:25:21,029 --> 00:25:19,200
something on my head and everything was

713
00:25:22,470 --> 00:25:21,039
weird and everything was red i helped

714
00:25:23,990 --> 00:25:22,480
out with my boys they thought this was

715
00:25:26,690 --> 00:25:24,000
noise they thought it was a dream they

716
00:25:40,549 --> 00:25:26,700
thought it was my toys

717
00:25:40,559 --> 00:25:45,960
you and me and

718
00:26:18,070 --> 00:25:51,090
[Music]

719
00:26:26,070 --> 00:26:20,120
what's that is

720
00:26:27,909 --> 00:26:26,080
[Music]

721
00:26:39,010 --> 00:26:27,919
it wasn't a tic tac and not quite a

722
00:26:50,730 --> 00:26:48,630
[Music]

723
00:26:56,870 --> 00:26:50,740
it's

724
00:26:59,650 --> 00:26:56,880
[Music]

725
00:27:14,789 --> 00:26:59,660
so

726
00:27:14,799 --> 00:27:19,650
yes